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📋 PLANNING: Gradient Clipping Experiment
This is an excellent experiment to demonstrate how gradient clipping stabilizes training! Let me break down the task:
Understanding the Experiment:
Key Points:
Let me set up the project structure and create the implementation:
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Now let me implement the complete experiment script. This is a lightweight local task (simple model, 1000 samples, CPU-friendly), so I'll run it locally:
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I've created the complete experiment script. Now let me run it to generate the plots and collect the metrics:
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Excellent! The experiment ran successfully. I notice that the random seed is causing different rare sample indices for each run. Let me fix this to ensure both training runs use the exact same dataset for a fair comparison:
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The experiment ran successfully. Let me verify the plots were created and then check them:
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Now let me write the summary report:
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Now let me update the progress file and create the assets for delivery:
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Now let me create the assets for delivery:
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✅ COMPLETE
I've successfully completed the gradient clipping experiment. Here's what was accomplished:
| Asset | Description |
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| comparison.png | Side-by-side comparison plot showing all metrics for both training runs |
| no_clipping.png | Training metrics without gradient clipping |
| with_clipping.png | Training metrics with gradient clipping (max_norm=1.0) |
| report.md | Comprehensive analysis report with methodology, results, and conclusions |
| experiment.py | Complete PyTorch implementation (reproducible with seed=42) |
Gradient Spikes at Rare Samples: Both runs show gradient norms ~7x larger at the rare 'B' sample positions compared to typical samples
Clipping Effect: With clipping enabled, the actual weight updates are bounded at 1.0, preventing the rare samples from causing disproportionate changes
Training Stability: The clipped run showed smoother weight norm evolution with fewer sudden jumps
Convergence: Both runs converged successfully, with the clipped run achieving slightly better final loss (0.0011 vs 0.0039)
The experiment confirms the hypothesis: Gradient clipping stabilizes training by preventing sudden large weight updates caused by rare, high-loss data points. The red vertical lines in the plots clearly show that gradient spikes occur precisely at rare sample positions, and clipping effectively bounds these updates while preserving the model's ability to learn.
All assets have been uploaded for download.
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refer to https://kindxiaoming.github.io/blog/ any interesting conclusion can we get, similar to this physics of AI blogs
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Interesting! I can see Ziming Liu's blog has several Physics-of-AI posts. Let me explore the most relevant ones - particularly the "Optimization 1 -- Norm reparametrization" which seems directly related to our gradient clipping experiment, and a few others for context:
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Let me try different URL patterns for these blog posts:
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Excellent! I found the blog posts. Let me read the most relevant ones in detail - particularly the "Optimization 1 -- Norm reparametrization" and "Unigram toy model" posts which seem most related to our gradient clipping experiment:
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This is fascinating! Let me also check the grokking post and the Pre-LN/Post-LN post for more context:
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report your finding
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let's run some experiment for
Hypothesis: Without clipping, the effective dimensionality of embeddings should show sudden drops at rare sample positions. Test: Track PCA-based effective dimension throughout training.
Hypothesis: With clipping, the model should achieve better accuracy on rare samples. Test: Track per-class accuracy throughout training.
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Let me first check our existing experiment code to understand the structure, then extend it with the new metrics:
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Now I understand the structure. Let me create an extended experiment that tracks:
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✅ TASK COMPLETE!
The experiment confirms the hypothesis that gradient clipping stabilizes training by preventing sudden large weight updates from rare, high-loss samples. Here are the key results:
| Metric | Without Clipping | With Clipping | Improvement |
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| Effective Dim Variance (99:1) | 0.0085 | 0.0003 | 32x more stable |
| Effective Dim Variance (80:20) | 0.336 | 0.023 | 14x more stable |
| Max Weight Change | ~0.13 | ~0.02 | 6x smaller |
| Gradient Spikes | 7x threshold | Bounded at 1.0 | ✓ |
Clipping alone doesn't solve class imbalance - both models achieved 0% rare class accuracy. The benefit is stability, not rare-class learning. For actual rare-class learning, combine with focal loss or class weighting.
✅ Report: final_report.md - Comprehensive Physics-of-AI analysis
✅ Code: final_experiment.py - Complete reproducible experiment
✅ Plots:
final_comparison.png - 10-panel side-by-side comparisonno_clipping.png - Baseline training metricswith_clipping.png - Clipped training metricsAll assets uploaded for download!
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Investigate the geometric evolution of the latent space of the model during training. specifically comparing how gradient clipping affects the stability of class embeddings when encountering rare samples.
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Investigate the geometric evolution of the latent space of the model during training. specifically comparing how gradient clipping affects the stability of class embeddings when encountering rare samples.
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Investigate the geometric evolution of the latent space of the model during training. specifically comparing how gradient clipping affects the stability of class embeddings when encountering rare samples.
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Investigate the geometric evolution of the latent space of the model during training. specifically comparing how gradient clipping affects the stability of class embeddings when encountering rare samples.
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